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Dr Pam Popper is a realist.

Here she talks about the measures that people take to object to and counter the political diktats that have been brought in to support the Covid narrative, and points out that those measures have not been working. They don't work because the assumption that the politicians work for us is false and the politicians simply carry on with their plans regardless. Petitions, letters, presentations of evidence, it makes no difference.

So what did they pioneer in Ohio to start to make a difference?

"Community isn't how many people you put in a room, community is the connection between the people"

"Reform isn't working, so ...  maybe what has to happen is the whole thing blows up so it can be rebuilt again from scratch, and that's actually easier to do ..."

This is a very thought-provoking session, it's suggestions will be unwelcome to many, but it is a contribution to the debate that is well-grounded in reality.